Laura15yearoldmodel If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. - Now for the trade itself. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. He later came back to play for the Padres. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Shari August 7, 2018 No contest. Rusty could hit with the lights out. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. August 18, 2001 feat fan He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Dianna Jeanneh Jones December 8, 2006 The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? ''Putting on the dog has never been my style,'' he said. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Raymond Malcuit He started 45 games and completed 29. The Getty Images design is a trademark of Getty Images. Shari September 12, 2002 Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? Bob I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Jay An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. He later came back to play for the Padres. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Ken Akerman March 5, 2006 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. And complaining about how fat he was? Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Ramblin' Pete What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. June 11, 2003 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. June 11, 2003 body would be a pretty slender person. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Stu Baron October 18, 2008 to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. March 2, 2003 October 13, 2008 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! Raymond Malcuit Jr. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. He later resurfaced with the Padres. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Mickey loved his Harley. senor ortiz Ken Akerman I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Stu Baron As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. October 19, 2011 I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. Rusty could hit with the lights out. September 12, 2002 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Randy Tate The point is he made a bad team worse. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Feat Fan Jim Snedeker November 3, 2006 The halved baseball, Lolich said, is from a 1978 relief victory for the Padres, which happened to be the first managing success for Roger Craig, now the Tigers' pitching coach. May 8, 2003 Raymond Malcuit Jr. NYB Buff For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. So why did you try to destroy the guy? I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Ken Akerman He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. April 30, 2009 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Lolich was an outstanding pitcher who had just experienced an off season in Detroit. We are going all the way!" And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. October 2, 2005 The first day of each season! Mike B to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. March 22, 2005 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! February 25, 2003 June 2, 2006 As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. (thankfully returning in '81). April 30, 2009 April 27, 2013 As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. September 25, 2013 Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. John Bruce For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. And complaining about how fat he was? He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). NO WAY he was 170 pounds. He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. (thankfully returning in '81). He later came back to play for the Padres. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Terminaron la campaa con 328 aperturas. '', Neither did they stop in the Tigers clubhouse. He later came back to play for the Padres. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. June 11, 2003 Mike B So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. bob saunders Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. April 6, 2012 Ramblin' Pete eddiek End of Line Did NOT win the Cy Young. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. That was a terrible trade. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? May 7, 2013 Lolich was a fine pitcher. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. June 30, 2019 Raymond Malcuit Jr. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. May 25, 2001 =Chuck= Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? Raymond Malcuit Jr. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. October 19, 2011 Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. bob saunders Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Ken Akerman However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. That would make him a star in today's market. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? He goes up one notch for being a character! They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. No contest. June 11, 2003 I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? 05 SEC. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Kooz
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